That’s Still More Than Trump Gives Back

, , , , | Right | August 11, 2017

(I work at a popular restaurant in Las Vegas. We get a diverse group of people from different cultural and political backgrounds. This particular day is like any other, until this exchange occurs:)

Customer: *wearing a ‘Make America Great Again’ hat* “I’m only going to give you a 10% tip because you didn’t do a great job.”

Me: “I’m sorry, did I do something wrong?”

Customer: “Oh, no, no, not at all. You were fine; you just weren’t great. Have a nice day!”

Me: “All right, we’ll see you next time.” *quietly, to myself* “Next time I’ll make table-side service great again…”

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  • Abigail Hermione Irwin

    Nice to know cheapskates now have a NEW excuse (like they needed one) for treating servers badly.

  • CS

    Sadly, that’s as close to neutral as financial lessons from Trump get. Just think if they decided to refuse to pay the full bill.

    • Mushroom

      …as Trump has done to his workers and contractors before.

      • Cynthia Middleton

        Not to mention with the Affordable Care Act. He’s actually refusing to put money already promised into the insurance companies. How can this be allowed? It’s the same thing as what he’s done to so many contractors he’s dealt with in his corporate life.

  • Ty Vulpine

    7 months in office, 0 major legislation passed, 0 times he Made America Great Again.

    • Amy F

      Plus, he’s putting us on the brink of WWIII. Yea, nuclear war, my favorite :/

      • Spotted Feather

        Yeah, TRUMP is putting on the brink of WWIII. It’s not the crazy nut job dictator that threatened the united states with nuclear weapons stuck to the end of missles…..

        • Lauraleea

          He threatened last year and the year prior. His dad threatened years and years prior to that. They’ve launched missiles for years. But what it has been until now was showing off. Puffing himself up. Making himself look big.

          The unofficial policy since the Korean War – 60 years! – is that they threaten and we ignore. The difference between now and a week ago isn’t Un threatening; its one off the cuff remark followed by escalation on our side.

          What you don’t do when a short guy tries to make himself look taller is stand in front of that guy and say “Come on, you’re short and you know it, and if you say you’re tall again I’ll hit you.” It was all swagger, now it may be war.

        • AsaeAmpan

          I get you trump supporters are stupid of both the past AND the present but N.korea have been blustering for DECADES and only the inbred trump has countered with his own threats.

          • 3-I

            Is Inbred your word of the week, or…?

        • Keniko Dukas

          The US has thousands of high quality nuclear warheads that could reach NK. NK has a only few, only one missile that could reliably reach the US, and it’s not capable of carrying a warhead.

          • 3-I

            How many missiles do you think it TAKES? Millions of people dead is still millions of people dead, you rotten banana.

          • Spotted Feather

            everything you said is what I just said.

          • jdb1984

            And then South Korea gets affected from the fallout.

          • Nicole

            A one megaton explosion only has an immediate blast radius of 1-3km, though burns or blindness can occur up to around 17km. Fallout you’re referring to occurs in about a 3 km radius.

            SK will be fine if NK is targeted.

            None of this to say that a single nuclear weapon being deployed wouldn’t be devastating even if it took only one life, no matter the location. Movies and video games seem to have conditioned people to think that the fallout from a nuclear weapon radiates for hundreds of miles, which simply isn’t the case. It’d take thousands of nukes to completely irradiate even a country as small as NK.

          • Bobismeisbob

            except that if there’s a shooting war the first thing NK will do is bomb Seoul (they have artillery already targeted and ready to go). That’s millions of people who will die no mater how the war ends up.

            Throw in how many could die if the US nukes somewhere that close to China and you could potentially be up to hundreds of millions of people.

          • Bobismeisbob

            But they also have thousands of conventional weapons that can reach South Korea and the 15 million people there (and that’s ignoring the millions of innocent people in North Korea). Please don’t be cavalier with my family’s lives just because you want to nuke someone.

          • Ophelia

            Not to mention Japan, which is under incredible threat from North Korea as well. The JSDF’s missile defense people have put themselves on full alert. The feud between North Korea and the United States is very publicized, but North Korea’s grudge against Japan and South Korea runs way deeper. The United States, by comparison, is just this big guy in the background who keeps stepping in, getting in their way, and returning back to the background.

          • Kat Kirkpatrick

            Except that NK has a mutual-aid treaty with its very large neighbor immediately to the north…so if NK gets attacked by anyone, China will jump in. And they pretty much outnumber everyone else’s military in sheer manpower alone, whether or not they have any kind of advanced weaponry. Not a conflict a wise leader wants to start.

          • Ty Vulpine

            Kat, China has stated that if NK attacks first, China would stay neutral.

          • Cafeeine

            But they also said that if the US attacks first, they would defend them, and they said nothing of retaliatory attacks to SK.

    • Rick C

      Donated his entirely salary so far to charity. What’ve *you* done? Same question to the person who chose the crappy article title.

      • Ty Vulpine

        Your point? Donating his salary to charity hardly fulfills his campaign pledge to “make America Great again”. Now if he had donated his entire net worth (most of which came from his daddy), that would be a different story.

      • Lauraleea

        Donated his salary so that he can make much more money off his businesses – like all the foreign dignitaries that are now staying at his hotels, or the secret service that are now not only paying him to protect him but are literally priced out of Trump Tower.

        You know, the businesses he told us he was going to put in a blind trust? Millions so far, much more than the $400k a year presidents make, and money he would’ve had to give up if he’d taken that salary. Feel free to look it up, the numbers are there. He and his sons have been very open about it.

        Also, he donated his salary to departments his budget will slash in half or more. Sort of like saying “You lose your job but here you get this free pen!” No one wins there but the guy keeping all the money. And that ain’t you or me.

        There’s a word for making money off being an elected official the way Trump is making money now, and democratic isn’t it. But every time I show this to Trump supporters, they respond “good for him.” I keep thinking I can’t have more contempt for you guys, and you keep right on sinking lower.

        • Kitty

          He really is nothing but a toddler throwing temper tantrums and thinking the world is way too black-white. And he doesn’t respect or even give polite courtesy to people in the same rank as him. Just remember him pushing that one man out of the way, so HE could be in the front line.

          • Spotted Feather

            The world IS black and white. Things are either right or wrong. Good or bad. That’s it.

          • Paludal

            No, its shades of grey. Jikes, you sound like Edea Lee in the beginning of Bravely Default. Of course, she do learn that there are not just Black and white, but shades of grey too.

          • Spotted Feather

            that is a very cowardly thing to say. Of course it’s black and white. As I said, things are either right or wrong.

            And people call ME out there…..

          • best kind of correct

            Things are either right or wrong, black and white. Eventually. The problem is how we get to that conclusion, and how long it stays that way. Why do you think a jury has 12 people? If it were a simple decision we’d only need one.

            Also, what’s your obsession with the word “coward”? Everyone’s a coward to you. Crossing the border illegally? Coward. Having an ethics system that isn’t always objectively certain? Coward. Is it a defense mechanism because of how scared of the world you are, snowflake?

          • Spotted Feather

            snowflakes would be the fools on the left. I’m not scared of the world. I couldn’t care less about the world…unless it affects me directly.

            And “coward” is the biggest insult there is…

          • Kitty

            It isn’t. Extreme example: a person, who has been physically abused for years by their spouse, kills the spouse in their sleep and is tried for murder.
            Certainly, killing the spouse in a defenseless state is murder… but do you still call this situation an absolute black-white case? If anything, the sympathy for the dead spouse will be limited.

          • Spotted Feather

            It IS. In the situation you posted, an abused wife kills the abuser while he is asleep.

            No, NOT certainly it’s murder. It’s NOT murder. Yes, it’s an absolute black-white case.

            Killing someone that is beating you up is NOT murder. It’s called doing the right thing. Killing and murder are two different things. If she had killed a RANDOM stranger that was sleeping…THAT would be murder.

          • Kitty

            *facepalm* No… no… clearly, you do not know how the law works. Murder is when it’s pre-meditated (planned) or the victim is completely defenseless. In the case I gave, it fulfills BOTH. You are putting emotions into law, which has no place there.
            In the opposite end: if the abuser ends up killing the victim by beating them to death, they don’t get tried for murder but bodily harm with ensuing death. At most, it’s homicide.

            If the world and law WERE black-white, everyone would get the same kind of punishment, regardless of any factor. First time you ever stole something? You’re getting sent to jail for a year, let’s say. Fifth time you’ve done so? Same punishment.

            That’s not how law is. It’s a whole layer of gray on another layer of gray, lost in the void of grayness.

      • Scott Rivers

        His net worth is estimated in the billions. Forking over $100k every few months is meaningless, especially when he’s cut, or wanting to cut, funding from federal programs that rely on that money to function.

        I wish this site didn’t have to draw in the political arguments like this, but “He donates to charity every so often!” isn’t a great riposte to “He’s become a fool in the eyes of several major world leaders and could very well plunge us into hellfire”.

        • Sue Wilden

          You do know most of the government programs are not constitutional?

          • Mechwarrior

            As defined by who?

          • Scott Rivers

            What? Like which ones? And if they *were*, they’d be *ended*, not have their funding cut…

          • David S.

            Section 8, clause 1, of the US Constitution says “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States…” To “provide for the […] general welfare of the United States” is amazingly broad, and between it and the Commerce Clause (section 8, clause 3) covers just about every government program.

            The use and application of a constitution in a democratic system is a complex question. But I have little sympathy for claims that fundamental, broad-scale parts of our system are unconstitutional, as if that ends everything. If the Supreme Court were to suddenly declare so much stuff unconstitutional, it would be much easier to pass a constitutional amendment than it would be to dismantle everything, given that there’s clear support for at least the existence of most of those programs.

      • Mushroom

        When a customer at my hardware store buys a Big Green Egg barbecue system with $1200 cash, chances are the quarter in his change will go into the penny jar.

        Scaling that up: So when Trump “donates” his presidential salary, it means nothing since he usually makes more in a day at his regular gigs (which he’s still doing) than he makes in a year being president. And as other people have pointed out, there’s a long list of OTHER more practical accomplishments that would be relevant if he did them, but he’d rather dismantle years of his predecessor’s legacy and decades of social progress.

        • Samantha Meza

          I can’t say about the social progress, but lot of programs that he’s dismantling were putting us further into debt and aren’t needed. Think of the DMV, do you want your hospitals to be like that? Inefficient and slow?

          Also, the train system in America, for example, is sloppy compared to Europe’s because the government paid the builders by each acre instead of handing it over to small businesses like they do in Europe and Japan, which uses their resources efficiently and allows their trains run fast and punctual, compared to our messy system with tracks laid hapazardly because they’re paid by the government. Free Healthcare works the same way, inefficient and slow.

          I’m not exactly for Trump, but the way the Democrats run things don’t make much sense to me either. We need a moderate point.

          • Annie Dodd

            Er, you might want to check your facts before claiming that denationalising the rail system in Britain has worked out so well. Southern rail online reviews gives you a glimpse of the picture: one star in 183 comments. Oh, sorry, I forgot – Britain isn’t really part of Europe any more.

          • Lauraleea

            I agree that we should balance that budget. Except for the whole wall thing, which is still in his budget, he still has us paying for, and will still put us further into debt even with all the cuts he’s making. He’s not any better; he’s still worse.

          • TheWonderRabbit

            “government paid the builders by each acre instead of handing it over to small businesses”

            A government is in effect a not-for-profit company. Saying a private, for-profit company could possibly provide a service cheaper is either disingenuous, or an admission that your government is incompetent. And in general, privatisation always results in greater costs to the consumer.

            The private sector can encourage innovation more (as long as there is sufficient competition), but by definition cannot be cheaper than a well-managed government service.

      • Kitty

        So? Doesn’t change the fact that he’s a giant toddler, throwing a temper tantrum cause he isn’t getting the candy he wants. He could donate BOTH of his kidneys to people and it would still not change his basic personality and nature.

      • ieatworms

        Lol. 250k… How much has he made from tax payer money to his properties? Millions as of this post. He’s an embarrassing ill skilled buffoon.

      • heymoe2001

        Ironically, one of the “charities” he donated to was the park service. He wrote them a check for $70,000 after having stripped 10 million from their budget.
        So generous.

      • Amy F

        Rick C, for starters, he didn’t donate them to ” charities “, he donated them to other government entities. And, secondly, that’s supposed to negate all his other epic failures as POTUS?

      • mashava

        Pretty sure there’s a Bible parable about wealthy men throwing money to [charity]…. something about it not being worth anything…

        • Kathryn Baggs

          One of the few things from the bible I remember.

      • Meghan Bender

        Where’s your proof of this? Because he only said he donated ONE of his checks, not his entire salary, and even then there is no proof he’s donated anything because he refuses to release his financial records.

        I can sit here all day and say I’ve donated millions to charity, and you ha e the same amount of proof for both my donation claims and Trump’s.

      • Mechwarrior

        He hasn’t donated his pay to charities, he claims he’s returned it to the government (without showing any proof), but the extra expenses of all his weekends in Mara-Largo and the extra security on Trump Tower have already cost the government more than ten times what his total salary will be if he actually makes it all four years.

      • 3-I

        He can afford to, the secret service is paying him millions to maintain a presence in Trump Tower. And this is why we ask presidents to release their tax returns, kids.

    • Kitty

      I laugh every time the news mentions Trump having trouble again. Or any of his wants being denied.

      • So you mean about twice an hour?

        • Kitty

          Well, I start watching TV and news around 5 PM, so… yeah, 2 hour interval at that point.

    • jimbo99987

      7 months is office, you have done 0 research on what he’s actually done, and has 0 brain cells. Go back to bed little baby.

      • Ty Vulpine

        You’re right. He’s spent $24 million on his 8 vacations and is on pace to outspend Obama’s 28 vacations/217 days and $85-$95 million in less than a year.
        He also still enacted 0 major legislation, still hasn’t repealed Obamacare, still has yet to show how Mexico will pay for his wall, etc. Maybe you’re the one that needs to do the research?

        • Spotted Feather

          he spent 24 million…of HIS money…
          Hasn’t repealed obamacare or enacted 0 major legislation…..he tried, but the cowards wouldn’t let him.

          maybe YOU’RE the one that needs to do research.

          • Ty Vulpine

            He didn’t spend $24 million for secret service on his vacations, that comes from taxpayer money to secure his private country club.

          • Mechwarrior

            And that’s just on Mara-Largo. Millions more have been spent to secure Trump Tower for his wife and son.

          • Ty Vulpine

            The “cowards” would then come from his own party, the moderate Republicans that listen to their constituents and put them before the Party.

          • Lauraleea

            Yeah, speaking of research, he’s made all that money back and then some from his hotels. The Secret Service is paying him to protect him. He’s making money off you.

          • Spotted Feather

            He’s not making money off of me. There’s no way that’s happening.

          • Lauraleea

            It’s been happening the last seven months. His sons have released accounting that shows it. He himself has openly said it. There’s been lots of reporting on it. Trump supporters, at least the ones I’ve spoken to about it, are actively fine with it. Is this a case of you just assuming that if you ignore it, it goes away? Or are you planning on leaving the country in some fashion?

          • Spotted Feather

            what am I ignoring ? I’m waiting to hear how you think that Trump is making money off of me. Don’t taxes have something to do with it ? If so, then it ABSOLUTELY has nothing to do with me….like I said.

          • Lauraleea

            All right, no offense, but I’m not playing this game. You’re not a US citizen, you don’t work, whatever reason you don’t pay taxes doesn’t really matter; point is, since it’s not happening directly to you, you don’t care. You’ve made that clear, and there’s nothing else to address, since to you there’s no one else in the world who matters but you.

          • Spotted Feather

            No game. Just you refusing to have a conversation. You were talking sense…right up until your last statement where you said that no one else in the world matters but me. Thanks for the attempt at a lie, but I never said anything of the kind.

            I said that unless something directly affects me, I couldn’t care less. I’ve got problems in my own life to worry about. I don’t have the time nor energy to spend on things happening on the other side of the world that doesn’t affect me.

            Never ONCE said that I was the only important person in the world. Nice lie, though.

          • Lauraleea

            Exactly: it’s not happening directly to you, so it doesn’t matter. You keep being vague on reasons why and there’s no real “conversation” to be had with that either. So to quote you: why should you care? So why should I bother with you? I’m not interested in trolling, you are doing that, so we’re done here. We both know you’ll try and pretend that’s not what this was, but again, why bother?

          • Spotted Feather

            vague on reasons why….what ? Nobody’s asked me any questions.

            How am I a troll ? That word doesn’t mean someone that doesn’t agree with you. It means someone that starts a fight. How does me not agreeing with mean I’m starting a fight ?

            What in the world are you talking about ? We agree. If something (something…key word here) doesn’t directly affect me, I can’t be bothered to care about it. I never said it doesn’t matter. I said it doesn’t matter….to me.

            Any other lies you’d like to tell ?

            Again, what am I being vague about ? I’ve been perfectly clear this entire time. Yet again, unless something directly affects me, I don’t care. I’ve got my own problems to worry about without worrying what is happening on the other side of the planet or even another city. This is the third time I’ve said that. How in the world is that vague ?

            I want to have a conversation, but you’re making it extremely difficult by not making much sense.

    • Spotted Feather

      0 major legislation passed….because people keep trying to stop him from keeping his promises.

      • Ty Vulpine

        Excuses excuses…the only people “stopping” him are those with a brain, whereas he doesn’t have one, since he doesn’t know how to keep his mouth shut.

        • Spotted Feather

          care to back up your statements ?

          • Ty Vulpine

            For which? Those with a brain or that he can’t keep his mouth shut?

          • Spotted Feather

            for anything you’ve said. You can’t just make a statement with no proof to back it up. That’s called slander.

            You’re saying that people with a brain would have voted for Hillary ? Because Hillary never lied or murdered anyone. She didn’t stay with a worthless cheater. She didn’t make fun of and put down her husband’s rape victims. That didn’t happen, did it ?

            Between the two, you’re saying that a lying, cowardly, ripoff artist, murdering, cunt was the better choice over someone that says things that you don’t agree with ?

          • Ty Vulpine

            You can always count on Trump supporters to bring up Hillary, even 9 months after the election because they nothing else relevant to say.
            But yes, people with brains voted for Hillary. 3 million more than voted for your god-emperor, who admitted being a “pussy grabber”, who walked in on a group of underaged naked girls because “he could”, who claimed he could “shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and still get votes” because he believes himself above the law (and throws tantrums and fires people when he doesn’t get his way, etc

          • Spotted Feather

            Just fyi, I’m not a trump supporter. Just a truth supporter, no matter who that truth is about.

            So, Hillary’s crimes shouldn’t be spoken about ?

            And Trump never said he actually did that. He said that he was so famous that he COULD do that. Get the facts straight.

          • Ty Vulpine

            I did say he could shoot someone. The other things are self-admitted in doing. Get your facts straight.

          • Spotted Feather

            My facts ARE straight, moron. He didn’t say that he DID grab someone. He said he COULD grab someone. That’s a fact.

            And I didn’t disagree that he said he could shoot someone. Though he didn’t say he WOULD shoot someone.

          • David S.

            “I’m automatically attracted to beautiful [women]—I just start kissing
            them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a
            star they let you do it. You can do anything … Grab them by the
            pussy. You can do anything.”

            He did not say he could grab someone; he said he can, after he admitted to forcibly kissing them. “Can” may not be a full admission, but it’s also not a subjunctive like “could”; “can” implies they have done it, or something similar enough to give them the knowledge that they are capable of doing it.

            And we have people testifying he has done it. Kristin Anderson, to pick one of many.

      • Stacy

        It’s a fully Republican controlled government right now. Literally no one but his own party is stopping him.

        Also, he admitted that his promise of the wall was bulls*** so good luck with the rest of those so-called promises.

        • Spotted Feather

          nobody said who it was that was stopping him…..but people ARE trying to stop him from doing what he said he’d do. Then, they get all mad and indignant and tell everyone “see ? He’s a liar. He’s not doing any of the things he said he’d do.”

          • Stacy

            Do you even know the roles of the different branches of government? I’m asking because your comment strongly suggests that you don’t understand the US government.

          • Spotted Feather

            Nothing I’ve said could give you the impression that I don’t know how the government works, but I appreciate the unwarranted attack.

            Care to back up what you say ?

          • Stacy

            His “promises” are being stopped because they are either terrible or unconstitutional. That is exactly why we have a system of checks and balances.

            Care to explain why you’re ignoring him admitting that his promise of the wall was a lie?

          • Spotted Feather

            Securing the border is terrible or unconstitutional ? Back up what you say….or don’t say it. What has he done that’s horrible or unconstitutional ?

            And his promise of a wall isn’t a lie. Unless they DIDN’T just say they’re going to spend 1 trillion dollars to build the wall…at least part of it…..

          • Stacy

            The way he wants to secure the border is absolutely terrible.

            His promise of the wall and Mexico paying for it 100% wasn’t a lie? So you’re denying that this conversation took place?

            Trump: “[…] I have to have Mexico pay for the wall. I have to. I’ve been talking about it for a two year period.”
            Mexican President says it’s not happening.
            Trump: “But you cannot say that to the press. The press is going to go with that and I cannot live with that. From an economic issue, it is the least important thing, but psychologically it means something so let’s just say ‘we’ll work it out’.”

          • Spotted Feather

            how is the way he wants to secure the border terrible ? I really want to hear your reasoning for allowing all kinds of people into the country.

            And where in that did he say that ONLY mexico would pay for it ?

          • Stacy

            You secure a border with rigorous background checks. If the Mexican border wall is about nothing more than a weird way to “secure the border” then why isn’t he trying to build a wall around the entire country?

            His entire campaign was him saying Mexico would pay for it 100%. That was a campaign promise straight from Trump’s mouth.

          • Spotted Feather

            rigorous background checks ? Like for the 9/11 highjackers ? Is Mexico’s wall weird ? You honestly think that a wall is a weird way to secure a border ?

            Why doesn’t he build a wall around the whole country ? Because that would be stupid ? How many cowards do YOU know that come by water ?

          • Stacy

            Background checks need to be enforced and need to be better.

            Did you forget that there’s an entire country that’s not Mexico that also borders the US? But yes, border walls are stupid. At least you got something right.

            I digress though. I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine.

          • Spotted Feather

            border walls are NOT stupid. So, you’re okay with 80 percent of the cowardly women coming over the border because there’s no wall getting raped ? Because that happens.

            Walls block, or at the very least, slow, ILLEGAL cowards coming over here….which is what we’re talking about.

            How can you background check illegal cowards ?

            I really can’t wrap my head around someone being as dense as you.

            What does it matter what other countries border the US ? We’re talking about a MEXICAN wall. Sure it may happen, but how many cowards cross the unwalled northern border ?

          • Banjooie Banjo

            okay so you do realize the vast majority of illegal immigrants to the US got to the US legally via work visas, right? You do realize this. They didn’t just run into the country.

          • Spotted Feather

            and your proof is….?

          • Banjooie Banjo

            Friend, if I got the numbers for you, wouldnt you just claim they were fake news? Mexicans overstay legit visas to get into the US. That is the hole in your system that needs fixing. Not even the GOP questions that.

          • Spotted Feather

            I never said that people overstay their visas. But are you denying that people don’t come over the border because they’re cowards that think they’re better than everyone else ? Nothing should be done to stop that ? hundreds of girls every year getting raped coming over the border means nothing ?

          • Marszy

            Any one of the relatively small percentage of people who come here via border crossing like you’re thinking of (crossing the desert, hiding, etc) are very far from being cowards. The people who try to enter the US are not cowardly, they’re desperate. The women realize they are probably going to be raped. Everyone accepts there is a risk of being abandoned or kidnapped or actually dying by going this way. And with all that risk, they *still decide to do it*. Makes you wonder about what they are trying to leave.

            Anyone who calls that cowardice should try the border crossing sometime, the long way. Go on. I dare you.

          • Spotted Feather

            Oh, they ARE cowards…unless someone that’s afraid to do the right thing aren’t cowards. I don’t care how desperate they are. That’s no excuse for breaking the law.

            Doesn’t matter what they’re trying to leave. Do things the right way or don’t do them at all.

          • Banjooie Banjo

            I agree that people come over the border. I’d be hesitant to suggest it’s because they think they’re ‘better’. I think they’re terrified they won’t get in legally, and are desperate to support their families.

            Wait, what do you mean getting raped coming over the border? Do you mean they’re FLEEING rape, or getting raped AFTER getting to America?

          • Spotted Feather

            During the trip AND after getting here. Around 80 percent of the women coming over the border are raped by the men going with them and the men, or coyotes, that are sneaking them over the border.

            Doesn’t matter why they’re coming over. They’re criminals. The process takes 5 years ? Then wait 5 years.

          • Banjooie Banjo

            Yeah, I found that. It turns out that the women are easy targets, since for some reason the women are unlikely to report the rapes at all.

            It’s almost like the authorities that could help them are more likely to deport them because the only people allowed to come into America without the permission of its citizens and destroy everything are white people. <3

          • Spotted Feather

            what do white people have to do with anything we’re talking about ? White people aren’t allowed to come here without permission any more than anyone else….

          • Banjooie Banjo

            You may not remember this, but America once belonged to a group of people we call ‘Native Americans’ nowadays, when a bunch of white people illegally immigrated in and took their land. Were quite violent to them too. In some cases, intentionally gave them diseases.

            Then, the white people declared that having been there for 200 years, they had just as much if not more claim than the people who’d been there thousands of years longer, and that anyone else trying to do what they did were /unforgivable cowards/.

            Because white people.

          • Spotted Feather

            I’m fully aware that we Indians, my preferred word, used to own this land. And ? The white people did NOT illegally immigrate….as there was no law at the time that said they couldn’t come here.

            The white people did NOT take the land. We allowed them to stay here.

            Nothing you’ve said is correct.

          • Banjooie Banjo

            This is fascinating. I was not expecting you to claim heritage. I don’t often run into First Nations (as we tend to call them in Canada) who want to go with Columbus’s confusion.

            Anyway, huh. This conversation took a weird turn. Regardless, I think we’re both agreeing illegal immigration in the modern age is a bad thing. I’m simply suggesting that fixing the broken visa system will do a great deal more to stop it for a lot less money than a giant wall.

          • Spotted Feather

            fixing the broken visa system will NOT do more to stop illegal immigration than a wall. You’re saying a wall, a physical thing, will do less to stop illegal immigration than giving them a piece of paper that says they can be here ?

            Strange, but as I see it, if I want to go somewhere but see there’s a huge wall there,….it’s going to stop me from going in…or at least give me pause.

            I just don’t understand your logic. Not giving someone a piece of paper that gives them permission to come or be here is all well and good, but if they still want to come here, if there’s no wall…they’ll just come here. We SHOULDN’T make it even a little physically hard for them to get in ?

          • Banjooie Banjo

            Okay, so if a million people come to the states legally and overstay their visas, and a hundred thousand cross the border into the states by foot, in a given year.

            You look at me and go ‘Well, obviously, of those two broken floodgates, we need to stop the hundred thousand, not the million!’

            See, in one route, you get to have your car, all of your belongings, your family, a comfortable trip, and months before the authorities care.

            In the other route, you have to cross on foot, with only what you can carry. The areas that don’t have a wall right now are not fun areas to traverse, and are physically challenging.

            Heck, we got refugees from the states dying crossing to Canada and we don’t got a wall NOWHERE.

          • Spotted Feather

            you’re going way overboard on this. According to YOUR logic, since the people that come here legally but break the law and stay past their time is a certain amount, we shouldn’t do anything about the people coming over here illegally because they’re doing it in a smaller number ?

            What does it matter how they get here ? We should do whatever it takes to stop it. Build a wall for the smaller number, and make it hard for the ones with visas.

          • Banjooie Banjo

            The cost is the problem.. Even Trump has admitted Mexico will not pay for it. Noone can afford building it, let alone staffing it.. And maintaining. It is the least effective means we have to combat illegal immigration. If it were me I would start with streamlining legal so it does not take 20 years.

          • Spotted Feather

            what does it matter what the cost is ? Safety is far more important than money. Who cares if Mexico pays for it or not ? No one can afford to build it ? That’s strange since they’ve earmarked 1 trillion dollars and ARE building it.

            Are you honestly expecting people to take you seriously when you say it’s the least effective way of combating illegal immigration ? Again, you really want be to believe that a piece of paper giving someone permission to be here is more effective than a physical wall with armed guards. In what world does that make any sort of logical sense ?

            You’re really so anti american that you want it to take less time to become a citizen ? What are you on, up there that that makes sense to you ?

            If anything, it should be MASSIVELY harder to get into the country legally. We have way too many people as it is. Your way of doing things is how we get entire cities in america that are no go zones for people that aren’t muslim. Streamlining the process makes it easier to get in the country…allowing MORE people in. The more people you allow in at the same time, the more they don’t assimilate.

            Look at France, Germany, and Sweden. Oh…and London.

          • Banjooie Banjo

            That one trillion dollars is an initial investment. That one trillion dollars will build the wall. It will not pay for people to man the wall next year. It will not pay for repairs to the wall.

            The Mexicans will proceed to invent ‘boats’.

            I love the idea that desiring people in a country makes you opposed to that country. That is a really, really interesting thing. I’m actually from Canada. I’m mostly sitting here watching your leader taunt a guy with nukes, the fallout of which will affect me if they hit the west coast. And to some degree, even if North Korea is nuked. Yaaay.

            But we’re at the point where you legitimately believe there are muslim-controlled areas where non-muslims cannot go. At that point, I assume that you have already firmly decided on your own alternative facts, and there is no reason for further discussion.

          • Spotted Feather

            Trump isn’t taunting anyone with nukes. In case you haven’t been paying atttention, North Korea started it by taunting the rest of the world with a missile, saying they could hit the U.S. if they wanted to.

            So, there AREN’T muslim controlled no go zones ? In what world do you live ? You don’t pay much attention to the news, do you ? Unless you’re american, should you really be talking about what does or doesn’t happen in the states ?

            Reports have it that in Dearborn, MI over 100,000 Muslims (45% of the
            city!)have settled into a “no-go” zone. The area is governed by Sharia
            law. The Muslim authorities of the compound build as they like, create
            schools, and write their own curriculum. Is this their implementation of
            the first amendment? What about the rights of others to enter the
            neighborhood which should be open to the public under American law?
            Should they be allowed to position guards at the entrance to these
            compounds to keep people out?

            If not official, then zones where the muslim population is so high that non muslims aren’t welcome. This DOESN’T happen ? I think Paris, Sweden, and London would beg to differ…unless there aren’t muslim rape gangs in London that attack women because they’re not muslim….right ?

            Discuss all you want. I refuse to engage with someone so unlogical and just plain idiotic. Cunt.

          • David S.

            The population of Dearborn is 100,000. Not only are you copying someone without attribution, you’re copying someone that obviously doesn’t know what they’re talking about, and who has the precision to say “Reports have it” instead offering citations as to what the reports are.

          • Spotted Feather

            I’m not copying anyone…..unless my own thoughts and research are “anyone.” I simply provided the first example of what I wanted to say that I could find. If you want more precise examples, they’re out there.

          • Stacy

            Name calling is a telltale sign that you can’t hold a conversation based in fact.

            Sad!

          • Spotted Feather

            do you understand what name calling is ? Calling someone something for no reason. You’re saying someone that breaks the law ISN’T a coward ?

          • Cafeeine

            “You’re saying someone that breaks the law ISN’T a coward”
            We are, because we know what “coward” actually means.

          • Spotted Feather

            So, a coward ISN’T someone that’s afraid to do the right thing ?

          • Cafeeine

            What makes you think that every criminal does it out of fear?

          • Spotted Feather

            because EVERY criminal does what they do out of fear. Fear of doing the right thing.

          • Cafeeine

            Funny that. And here I thought it was a grab-bag of greed, desperation, need, ignorance bad circumstances and malice.

          • Spotted Feather

            it is….because they’re afraid to do things the right way….

          • Cafeeine

            I think you’re confused. think it over a little more.

          • Spotted Feather

            Alright, you condescending, pretentious cunt, what would YOU call someone that was afraid to do the right thing ?

            Waiting for your high holiness to answer….

          • Cafeeine

            The dissent is that I don’t agree with your asinine claim that criminals are “afraid to do the right thing” so the question is moot. However…

            “what would YOU call someone that was afraid to do the right thing?”

            Nowadays, a member of the Republican party.

          • Cafeeine

            Already did.

          • Spotted Feather

            no, you haven’t. All you’ve done is say that I’m wrong with no explanation.

          • Cafeeine

            As a courtesy, I’m repasting my earlier comment, as it may be difficult for you to find.

            “The dissent is that I don’t agree with your asinine claim that criminals are “afraid to do the right thing” so the question is moot. However…
            “what would YOU call someone that was afraid to do the right thing?”
            Nowadays, a member of the Republican party.

          • Spotted Feather

            Again, since you seem to be so substandard….criminals AREN’T cowards afraid to live life the right way ?

            And how are republicans afraid to do the right thing ? In your mind, and it IS just in your mind, what is the right thing ?

            Strange, but I don’t see republicans carrying clubs and burning things down. I don’t see republicans trying to not have to see or hear differing views. I don’t see republicans hiding their faces like…cowards…when they attack people for no reason….in the name of antifascism.

          • Cafeeine

            “I don’t see republicans trying to not have to see or hear differing views. ”

            Are you a Republican? If so, you might want to look in the mirror because you’re a shining example in this thread.

            People break the law for many reasons, some of which I mentioned in a previous comment. “Fear of doing the right thing” is not one of them.

            Fear of doing the right thing is however what I see many Republican politicians do. They can see the dumpster fire in the Oval office, yet are too scared of losing power to do anything about it. Yet even they are not breaking the law in their cowardice.

          • Spotted Feather

            No, I’m not a republican….but I’m a shining example of one ? Does that mean you think that I’m afraid to do the right thing ? And if so, what is that thing I’m afraid to do ? I guess you could call me a common sense-itarian. Which is why I don’t vote for either side….or any side, for that matter.

            Fear of doing the right thing isn’t a reason for a criminal to break the law ? Excuse me, but that’s bullshit. A criminal is too afraid to do things the right way, and so, if they want a car…they don’t work for it..they steal it. If they want clothes…they don’t work for the money to buy them…they steal them.

            And what dumpster fire are you talking about ?

            Fear can make people run away from something, or as I’ve said, it can make them just go out and take what they want, because they’re too afraid to do the real work of getting a job, getting the money, and buying what they want.

          • Cafeeine

            ” they want a car…they don’t work for it..they steal it. ”

            That’s not fear, that’s sloth.

          • Spotted Feather

            avoidance rooted in fear.

            Sloth is simply putting off the thing that is difficult by doing the thing that is comfortable or easy or the thing we like to do. Sloth may be present because of fear. Fear keeps us from doing a lot of things in life.

            If someone is chasing me with a knife I’m going to run. But this isn’t the kind of fear I am talking about. The kind of fear I am talking about has more to do with people coping with a bad decision or a poor work environment or a domineering boss or any one of a number of things we can change. Sloth can also be a result of depression, stress, clutter
            and any one of a variety of bad habits. In my opinion, self-control is the root of all of it.

            Look up “creedbranson sloth running from that which is hard.”

            NAW won’t let me post links.

          • Cafeeine

            Your own link talks about how fear is not the only cause of sloth, which itself is not the only cause of crime. You can continue to make my point for me if you want.

          • Spotted Feather

            but it is A cause of sloth….
            and I’m not making your point for you…unless proving you wrong now means I’m proving you correct….

          • Cafeeine

            You have in no sense proven me wrong. You know, I’m just going to fall back on my earlier advice. you really need to think on it a little more, and I don’t have the time to teach you.

          • best kind of correct

            What would you call someone that was too afraid to do the WRONG thing? Aren’t they also cowards?
            So if they’re scared of crossing the border illegally, will you be there cheering them on to help them build up the courage to cross the border?
            What would you call someone that’s afraid of Mexicans?

          • Spotted Feather

            well, THAT doesn’t make any sense. Afraid to do the wrong thing ? Um….that means someone has morals, friend.

            I honestly don’t understand the thinking behind anything you say…if there IS thinking behind it.

            What would I call someone that’s afraid of Mexicans ? Leftists/liberals. THAT’S what I’d call someone afraid of mexicans. They’re afraid to say what they’re actually thinking in case they’d be called racist.

          • katansi

            They already a 700 mile wall that people just put tall ladders up against. Do you think somehow you cannot just make a taller ladder if you make a taller wall? The idea is stupid and your belief that it’s a good idea is also stupid.

          • Spotted Feather

            that’s honestly the kind of wall you think is going to be built ? Then you haven’t been paying attention to the world.

            It’s good to know that you think people should just be allowed to come in whenever they feel like.

          • best kind of correct

            Saying a wall is dumb is not the same thing as advocating for open borders. Only a Trump supporter could be this stupid.

            Coyotes don’t ‘run’ people across the border, in any significant way. It’s really not that difficult to travel north. Besides, not much raping can go on when you’re running across the desert. Mostly they cram people into trucks, where half of them die. Or on trains. That’s where rapes happen. Your wall won’t do anything to that number unless the border is completely closed, if that’s what you want you should come out and say it and stop feigning concern for people you hate.
            Don’t forget the network of tunnels that walls won’t affect. And plane arrivals. And all the Mexicans that want to go BACK to Mexico, but might be dissuaded by said wall.
            In short, you’ve invented a problem based on fear, ignorance and racism based on the kind of misunderstanding that only the mind of a child could invent; then tried to solve that imaginary problem in the least effective, most expensive, dumbest way possible. Bravo!

          • Spotted Feather

            first off, I don’t hate anyone….especially people I’m part of. Ignorance and racism….of what ? What is it that I don’t know ? And who is it that I’m racist against ? Back up what you say, or don’t say it.

            And the problem is invented ? People aren’t coming over here illegally ?

            Mexico has a wall….but we can’t have a wall ?

            So a wall won’t affect tunnels or planes. Okay. So, that means a wall shouldn’t be built ? We shouldn’t at least TRY to slow the process in any way ? How is a wall dumb ?

            Can you back up any of the things you’ve said ? About me or the coyotes ?

          • Marszy

            It’s a very weird way to secure a border when the way the majority of people cross it is in a PLANE. You’re a moron.

          • John L

            “rigorous background checks ? Like for the 9/11 highjackers ?”

            Wow, really?

            You’re comparing how things were done nearly TWENTY years ago, to how things are done today in a post 9/11 world?

            Seriously?

          • Lisa Brown

            A wall is a fantastically stupid way to try and secure a border when the majority of people enter the U.S LEGALLY by flying in/on work visas, you colossal fish stick.

            A wall of that size is just a monument to irrational fears, would have catastrophic results on the environment/natural habitats and cost an absurd amount of money. We all know Mexico would never pay for such a stupid thing and there is literally no way you could force Mexico to pay for it, either.

          • Spotted Feather

            Irrational fears ? So it’s irrational to be afraid that over 80 percent of the women cowardly breaking the law by coming over the border are raped ? It’s irrational to be afraid that over 30 percent of the rapes in Texas are committed by ILLEGALS ?

            What does it matter how the people are coming over here ? Where are the facts for your statement, by the way ?

            And what does Mexico paying or not paying for it have to do with anything ? What does it matter WHO pays for it ? WE’RE paying for it….over a trillion dollars marked for it so far.

            Any other unwarranted attacks on me you’d like to fail at, coward ?

          • best kind of correct

            “And what does Mexico paying or not paying for it have to do with anything ?”
            Because Trump said he would make Mexico pay for it, and it’s not, and he’s clearly wrong, but you can’t admit it. You think everything Trump says is perfect and true, but when you’re shown it’s false all you can say is “yeah well….who cares”. It shows your cognitive dissonance.

          • Spotted Feather

            almost nothing you said is correct. Yes, Trump said that Mexico would pay for it, but congress won’t tell them to pay for it.

            I DON’T think everything Trump says is perfect and true. I didn’t vote for the man.

            “when you’re shown it’s false all you can say is “yeah well….who cares.”

            Haven’t done that….and no one’s shown what he’s said to be false.

            You brought up the whole Trump said mexico would pay for the wall thing…..and as I said, people are stopping him from making that happen. It’s nothing to do with him.

          • 3-I

            Goalpost shifting, move back to the ten yard line.

          • RoseDragon11

            The issue I see with the wall is that it’s too much money for something that doesn’t accomplish what it will be built for. A majority of illegal immigrants are people who overstay their visas and a wall isn’t going to help with that issue.

            This is coming from a family of immigrants that applied for their visas, then applied for green cards, and then finally took an exam and became citizens of the United States. The current system is convoluted, and altogether maybe took about twenty years for my family, but at least it’s not completely impossible.

            The issue is that people apply for green cards, and get denied. They figure if they just get away from ICE or don’t leave the country they’ll never get deported. How is the wall going to help with that? It’s not. A majority of these immigrants legally entered the country, it’s getting these people who abuse the current system out that’s the problem.

          • Spotted Feather

            you have no proof of any of that. Come here legally or not at all. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Come here legally, fine. Come here just because you feel like it ? Cowards. Every one of them.

      • AsaeAmpan

        You uh, you DO know that’s a standard tactic of both sides of the aisle right? obama was blocked at nearly every turn by the inbred republicans just as trump is being blocked by the actually intelligent members of his party.

        • linusbern

          Good point except he isn’t being blocked by the intelligent members. The health care bill failed because it wasn’t cruel enough for some Republicans.

          • cait333888

            So all Republicans are inbred….Sounds like just another snowflake who needs to pull their head out of their ass.

    • ITrollLiberals

      Liberals: Trump is literally Hitler.
      Also liberals: Trump can’t get anything passed.
      Which is it? Also, just Google Trump’s accomplishments and educate yourself.

      • Ty Vulpine

        Googles Trump’s accomplishments as POTUS: “No results found”.

      • Lauraleea

        Serious question: troll culture. I don’t understand it, myself. What do you get out of this? You hate liberals, we all got that, but what do you actually believe in beyond that? Anything?

      • TheWonderRabbit

        ITrollLibrals: Strawman arguments I make up
        Also ITrollLiberals: Google results only show things I agree with, so telling people to google a topic they disagree with me on isn’t a logical fallacy.

        In answer to your question though, it’s neither, because I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say Trump is ‘literally’ Hitler.

    • Datapath
      • Ty Vulpine

        Not one thing on there is major legislation and most is controversial, plus the “16 year low on employment” can be credited to Obama, not Trump. We are still on Obama’s fiscal plan, not Trump. Trump continuously tries to take credit for things Obama did, and his supporters buy it hook, line and sinker.

        • Datapath

          It’s going to be a looooon 8 years for you!

          • Ty Vulpine

            I love when idiots like you claim “8 years”. It shows how delusional you really are, in Trumpland, where your god-emperor rules unchallenged. It’s extremely unlikely he will win re-election, with his approval rating at 40%.

          • Lauraleea

            He’s down to 29 percent support after today – Nixon resignation levels – and frankly it’s deserved.

      • Banjooie Banjo

        Wait, why is ‘appointed a supreme court justice’ on there? The only reason Obama didn’t is the Republicans literally stonewalled him. ‘Supporting Law Enforcement’ doesn’t mean anything. ‘Border construction starts soon’? That’s not in the first six monts. His tax reform plan doesn’t help the middle class, tax payer funding has never gone towards abortion (Planned Parenthood does not use tax dollars for abortions only donations, they use tax dollars for all of their other medical things), how is pulling billions of funds from the UN good, $100 billion off the federal debt is literally a drop in the bucket, the hostile nation travel ban barely happened, a reduced refugee intake isn’t something to be proud of, he didn’t actually eliminate DACA and changed his stance on that (thank goodness), the stock market’s initial boom has not been holding out, Obama got ceasefires too, that lasted longer than any of Trump’s…

        Pulling out of Paris is one of the reasons humanity ain’t gonna see 2200 and onwards..

        I mean, hey, cool, the Republicans finally stopped stonewalling help to Flint Michigan. That’s pretty good.

    • Hachimaro

      People who dislike Trump surely love sucking their own cocks.

      • Ty Vulpine

        Keep blindly bending over for Trump while he robs you blind and gives the money to his racist cronies.

        • Hachimaro

          Haha, I’m not even a Trump supporter, I just don’t jerk off over my hatred for him 😀 I bet you enjoy licking Hillary’s wrinkly clit, don’t you? Or do you prefer Bernie’s smelly ass crack?

  • UrbanDweller64

    You should have made Mexico pay the rest of the tip (that is so tongue in cheek…)

    • Clay

      Gee thanks for explaining that was a joke. People might have thought you were serious.

      • heymoe2001

        On this site, there are definitely people who would.

  • Laura Szalacinski

    You gotta act like the restaurant patron is the coolest person you’ve ever met. Like in ‘South Park’ with those Raisins girls/waitresses. They say things like “I’m so glad someone cool finally arrived…” and call the patrons “sweetie” and such

    • 3-I

      Yes, you have got to do that, but you SHOULDN’T have to do that.

      • PoldaranOfZam

        Honestly, what we shouldn’t have to do is tip. Establishments should just pay a fair and decent wage like much of the rest of the world.

  • Gary Jones

    When on holiday in the States, I quickly learned that if I wanted quick service at the bar, I should tip well.

    Never had to wait for a drink, even at a packed bar and thanks to the exchange rate I wasn’t paying much more than I would have back home.

  • Passenger_Zero

    Lets see, this hits all the checkpoints, yup.

  • Oath 2 Order

    I’m curious as to what exactly this man considers to be “great” service?

    • Luke Green

      Well….I think I know…er…I got nothing.

    • AR

      I know what I call great service, but somehow I don’t think anything the server did was going to qualify to this guys standard.

    • TSBJ

      Giving head.

    • Max

      Kissing every one of his toes, and his butt, and simpering when the food is brought out.

      • Arilwyn

        He can have that if he gives a $1000 tip… no less…

    • Daistis

      Making him food and making the restaurant pay for it?

  • Niall Ridgeway

    Looks like Americans are finally beginning to understand how tipping is supposed to work.

    • Hilary Eckberg

      A lot of us understand how tipping is *supposed* to work… the problem is that until the restaurant industry in the US is forced to pay a living wage, if we don’t tip well, the servers get utterly screwed. Most servers make in the neighborhood of $2.17 an hour, and if they don’t make enough in tips, the restaurant is supposed to make up the difference to get them to minimum wage, but minimum wage is peanuts in most places.

      • Niall Ridgeway

        Hang on, I’ll just grab a soapbox for you….

        • Stacy

          Hang on, I’ll just grab a dunce cap for you….

          • Niall Ridgeway

            That…. makes no sense.

        • Hilary Eckberg

          awww, thanks, you’re sweet! Could you grab me a megaphone while you’re at it?

          • Niall Ridgeway

            Only if I get a tip;)

          • Hilary Eckberg

            I’m still laughing at this response, BTW.

      • TheWonderRabbit

        It’s a catch-22.
        You say you need to tip to make up for the low wages.
        But then the restaurants look and say, “No need to pay better wages, they get paid in tips!”

        If you stopped tipping, then they lose this argument, and you can increase minimum wage.

        It can get worse before it gets better, or it can stay the same.

        • Banjooie Banjo

          Yeah, but the problem is that real people starve and become homeless for months, if not years, before you can even start arguing it, and in the meantime restaurants swear and insist that their entire industry would collapse if not for their low wages. And then you have yet more years before any change occurs.

    • Banjooie Banjo

      They are. Which is great, except restaurant business owners aren’t quite there yet, which means a lot of people are in trouble in the meantime.

  • Matt Westwood

    It’s days like that when you indulge in a bout of introspection and question your life choices that led you to such a situation.

    • Clay

      No it isn’t you knuclehead.

  • BlueDude320

    Must every forum everywhere devolve to pro- and anti-Trump posters talking past each other? It’s become Godwin’s Law v2.0. It’s tiresome.

    • Lauraleea

      When you live under the shadow of it every day, that happens.

      Godwin’s Law isn’t really an applicable comparison to make, unless we’re talking about how Germans talked about Hitler in ’33: some of them hated him and some of them had hope he’d change things, but either way things were rapidly changing around them. That’s happening now, whether you like it or not. And most of us don’t, I think.

      • BlueDude320

        I had a whole reply going but realized that it only perpetuated the talking-past-each-other paradigm I’ve come to despise on most other public forums so I got rid of it. The fact that you used my Godwin’s law reference literally in order to draw a link between Trump and Hitler rather than its intended purpose to show the degeneration of discourse in general is proof enough that there’s no point in continuing. Good day.

        • Lauraleea

          You’re right that talking with each other is probably pointless, but I want to try and clarify.

          I was trying to make the point that we’re all talking about him all the time not because all conversations have gone to extreme ends – which is what you were trying to get at, wasn’t it? – but because we’re all trying to process (or deny, in a lot of cases) what’s happening. When something this big happens to a country, there’s not much else to look at until it’s finished, one way or another. It’s awful, and I think a lot of people wish we could talk about anything else. I know I do.

          I don’t want to talk past you, I do want to listen; the degeneration of discourse happens when we talk past each other until we stop talking altogether. But if that’s what you want to do, it’s what you want to do. Good luck to you too.

          • BlueDude320

            NAR is entertainment, not a political blog. The title of this entry set us up for this particular round of mutual echo chamber shouting, each screaming too loud to hear the other. I’m just sorry to see it, that’s all. I had no wish to engage you or anyone else on any point about Trump, pro or anti, only wishing that we could all give the entire subject a rest. At least in this one place.

          • Lauraleea

            Believe me, I wish I could too. I’m reminded of how I felt about the Kardashians for years; I knew everything about them despite studiously trying to avoid anything that ever mentioned them.

            But the issue is beyond trash entertainment here, I think. I wasn’t literally trying to compare Trump to Hitler earlier; I was only trying to make the point that he’s inescapable in part because he’s also – for better or worse – one of the most influential people alive currently. I’m not sure the country will be the same when this is over, for better or worse. It’s pretty difficult to live with that knowledge and leads to a lot of this echo chamber screaming (and for the record, I agree with you, I’m just as weary of it myself, and I wish it was different. I really, really do).

    • Banjooie Banjo

      Friend, nuclear war is officially on the line. Literal nuclear war. It doesn’t matter where you are, the man is officially risking the lives of everyone on earth.

      No, you can’t just remain neutral on it anymore.

      • Mechwarrior

        We have reached the point in international relations where we’re stuck hoping that the hereditary communist dictator will be the mature one. If you’re not alarmed, you’re not paying attention.

      • TheWonderRabbit

        I hate the Pumpkin man as much as the next person whose parents aren’t siblings, but nuclear war would be a distinct possibility regardless of who was president.

        Yes, his handling of it will probably be awful, but don’t act like NK was friendly and on our side before Trump was elected.

        • Banjooie Banjo

          I’m like 95% sure if it was Hillary Clinton and not a guy who really, really enjoys dropping bombs on ‘bad guys’, the CIA would have just gone over there by now.

  • Mushroom

    The customer shouted a lot about how there aren’t enough American food places, there needs to be more support for hamburgers, then takes his family to the Chinese restaurant next door to McDonald’s.

  • Blake Barrett

    What does the hat have anything to do with this story?

    • Clay

      You clearly didn’t do a GREAT job reading the story.

      • Blake Barrett

        A guy shorts a server’s tip. Why is the hat a necessary detail?

        • Clay

          Not sure if trolling or you’re actually this stupid.

          • Blake Barrett

            If you see something that I don’t, then please explain to me why the hat is an important detail.

        • Drew Jackson

          You know why, Trump troll.

          • Blake Barrett

            Read the story without the detail of the hat. It adds NOTHING to the story.

    • Professor of Miscellaneous

      Know what? I despise Trump and all he stand for as much as anyone, but I actually agree. The hat aspect adds nearly nothing to the story other than to give it an unneeded political slant. While I am willing to believe Trump supporters are, on the average, worse tippers than normal, this one anecdote doesn’t establish that.
      Basically, I think it would be equally hypocritical to wear a Hillary “Together” shirt, here.

      • Banjooie Banjo

        It would also be hilarious and notable if it was a Hillary shirt. The Trump hat is funny because ‘bring back the jobs’ but ‘don’t pay them’

        • Professor of Miscellaneous

          That’s definitely how Trump himself works, but it’s less obviously related to his voters. Certainly, most lf them don’t believe or understand that about him, in spite of the evidence.

  • HeadlessGhostOfAbrahamLincoln

    Tipping needs to go.

    • Luke Green

      No.

      • HeadlessGhostOfAbrahamLincoln

        Yes

        • Luke Green

          Nope.

          • HeadlessGhostOfAbrahamLincoln

            Yup

          • Luke Green

            Argue a case against.
            The defence:
            – Extra money can always help.
            – Shows you appreciate the service that you’ve received.
            – Kind gesture.
            – Without waiters, no food for you.

          • HeadlessGhostOfAbrahamLincoln

            “Extra money can always help ”
            Than the owners must pay their staff a proper wage instead of forcing them to rely on tips.

            “Shows you appreciate the service that you’ve received ”
            So does “thank you”. And really the amount between tipping for good service and bad service is minute.

            “Kind gesture”
            It is.

            “Without waiters, no food for you ”
            Why? Did grocery stores suddenly vanish, and we are forced to eat at overpriced restaurants?

          • Luke Green

            “Why? Did grocery stores suddenly vanish, and we are forced to eat at overpriced restaurants?”

            You’ve chosen to go to a restaurant, I assume because you want to celebrate or not cook for a day or have no food, whatever. Ah, I see we won’t be agreeing this topic.

          • TheWonderRabbit

            Your last point is an argument AGAINST tipping.
            The restaurant cannot exist without waiters, so if I order and pay for a meal, the restaurant must either allow me to collect my own food, or pay wages did a staff member to deliver it to me.

            You don’t tip bus drivers, but without bus drivers, no bus for you.
            Without spotty teenagers, no McDonalds for you.
            Without firefighters, no firefighting for you.

    • Philacook

      Absolutely. When we’re in France, we invariably get good, professional service(and not because they think we’re American and don’t know that service is included – they don’t know generally). The waiters are paid well, and the service charge is included. At a high end restaurant, with a large bill over 100€ I will leave 5€, maybe. Anywhere else 1€ to 50 centimes.
      And there’s none of that ‘Hi, I’m Randy and I’ll be your server’ nonsense.

      • wahooo

        Last time I was in Paris I thought every thing was boiled. I thought I was in London.

    • JB

      I live in a country where tipping is optional, but I understand that the wages people in the hospitality sector in America get means that they rely on tips. In some cases workers assume they’re entitled to tips without providing the level of customer service required, as a number of stories on NotAlwaysWorking show.

    • AR

      Tipping as a mandatory social requirement should go. However, I’m not adverse to occasional tipping for truly amazing service or unusual assistance that deserves that extra reward. Which is really it’s intended purpose – it’s not supposed to be an incentive to actually do your job.

      • Arilwyn

        ^ this. The service charge should be included in the price of the meal, and then any tips after that are completely optional and are a reward for “Above and beyond” service.

        • TheWonderRabbit

          The service already is included in the price of the meal.
          That’s a lie the restaurant industry tells you.
          A meal in the U.S. is not significantly cheaper than elsewhere in the world, but the rest of the world generally seems able to pay servers a (decent) minimum wage.

          • 3-I

            So really, the service ISN’T included in the price, but it easily could be if a high profit margin wasn’t considered noble.

      • Amber Wilkinson

        My dad once tipped the guys at the auto parts store for staying open 15 minutes past closing to replace my mom’s car battery. (We got there at 30 til, it just turned out to be more difficult than we expected.)

      • Siirenias

        That tipping came from bribes says something disturbing about tipped wages.

    • Stacy

      Agreed. What is bad/good/great service is entirely subjective which is why making people rely on tips as their wage is a terrible practice and should be done away with.

      That said, I tip and believe others should too because not tipping your server on ‘principle’ isn’t going to change a single thing for the better. Making it known that you want your elected officials to change the laws is the only way that ‘tipping to pay wages’ is ever going to go away.

      • Ghostest

        This is where I am: I tip well because that is how servers make their wages but I resent the owners for burdening the server and I into this deal instead of paying their own expenses.

        • Stacy

          Agreed

  • Kali Ravel

    I do some mystery shopping and it’s always difficult to justify “did anyone give above-and-beyond service?” If nothing unusual happened.:/. The last time it’s because someone successfully turned a complaint into a good experience.

    Not what this guy was doing obviously, just thought it was interesting.

    • wahooo

      But I seriously doubt that anyone finds you interesting.

      • TheWonderRabbit

        I actually find it very interesting.

  • Lord Circe

    Was there something specific they could have done to be great? No? Then let’s not sugar-coat it. They did a fine job, you just want to be cheap and are trying to blame it on them so you don’t look like such a loser.

    • Siirenias

      Well the hat pretty much takes care of that.

      • GubmentCheese

        I’m trying to figure out why the hat is so important in this story other than the author’s obvious hatred towards the current President.

        • Siirenias

          They’re awfully tacky hats, which was my joke.

          You can endure the other comment threads here to experience the sensation of how people view the current POTUS. You have been warned; they are like eating coffee grounds.

  • Kitty

    Oh, that’s okay. You weren’t that great of a customer. You know, you were fine. Just not great. So, I didn’t give you great service.

  • Meghan Bender

    Being a server is hard enough. Being one in Vegas must be about the same as gambling. I would think there would be no in between. Either you have the people who are high rollers and are tossing money around like it grows on trees, or broke people who blew their budget on the slot machines. Betting that’s what happened to him.

  • ieatworms

    Toilet man. Wagging the dog like nothing else. Anyone who still supports him is either delusional, racists/sexist/homophobic,or in denial that he is the worst president in history. Done nothing to help. Collided with Russia, got soldiers killed. Violated security and can’t even staff the office. Had it been any other job, he’d be fired by now.

    • heymoe2001

      I agree with everything you said but I think you meant “colluded” instead of “collided”.
      This little typo made me giggle in my pre-coffee Saturday morning state.

      • Ophelia

        Well, if any of those times he was in Russia he tripped and fell to the floor, he would’ve collided with Russia.

  • Stephanie Gertsch

    This reminds me of the episode “Nosedive” in “Black Mirror.” Sadly getting rated by everyone is already a reality for service industry people.

  • Sue Wilden

    Could have been worse. Could have had a Obama lover stiff you all together, in the name of fairness

  • ITrollLiberals

    Black people (generally democrats) are known to be the worst tippers. In fact, studies show Republicans are more charitable than Democrats.

  • INT_RAND

    The ignorance of the posters here never fails to amaze me.

  • Angela Bell

    I would have spit in his food.

    • Mechwarrior

      A little late for that unless you want to spit down his throat.

  • TheWonderRabbit

    And that’s literally how tipping is supposed to work.
    It would be good if they explained how you could go from ‘good’ to ‘great’, but, well…

    That’s literally how tipping is supposed to work. Better service = better tip.

    • isfturtle

      If you’re familiar with tipping in the US, you should know that 15% is generally considered to be the minimum tip, unless they do something really horrible. “Fine” service should be at least 15%. If I get “great” service, I typically tip 20-25%. Tip below 15% if the server has been rude, lazy, or incompetent.

  • Lucky Vine

    All I had to see was the number of comments (126 at the time of this writing) to know that a bunch of Drumpf supporters came here specifically to troll all the decent, sensible people who are not blind to the truth: you elected a cheap, xenophobic, misogynistic nutcase. End of discussion.

    • Lucky Vine

      And when I say “end of discussion,” I mean it. Do NOT bother replying because I never, ever read replies on NAR. Ever. You’ll just be a dog barking at a wall.

      • TheWonderRabbit

        “Look at me, I’m so special and smart and correct that I’m gonna post on a forum, and then explicitly state I won’t read any replies! I am above reproach, all hail me!”

        Obviously that’s for the rest of you, not him.

  • Edward Anderson

    Well given that the people running this website like to slam President Trump in their story titles it’s obvious they support the Dumbocratic party.

    • Lauraleea

      Feel free to defend Trump. And when you do it, you’re not allowed to bring up Hillary, Obama, “libtards” or any of the things you hate. Defend the thing you claim to stand for. Go on.

  • Yohannes Setiadji

    I would like the comment section to discuss about how good and great are relatives. But since the story has the related-keyword to Trump ………

    *scroll down*

    ……. yep, another comment section turned into politic debate. *sigh*

  • Observe

    Political stories should be left where they belong – in the trash. Posting them only causes strife and anger.

  • Jane

    Well I don’t appreciate you making generalizations about anyone’s character based on their political views. If he decides that you didn’t go above and beyond then he is not out of line in acting on his assessment.

  • Datapath

    Alex, I’ll take “Things that never happened” for $100.

  • An Oni Mouse

    Wait… I default to a 10% tip and adjust from there based on the service. Have I unknowingly been a bad tipper this whole time?

    • Ophelia

      That’s what I had thought for much of my life as well, as this is how my parents would tip and that was my baseline. Or rather, their system was 10% for good service (rounded down to the nearest whole dollar amount or $1 if the bill was less than $10), something above that for great service, no tip at all for bad service, and $1 for fair service regardless of the bill. Of course, they came from another country where tipping is very different. (Which is important to note as tipping culture can vary more than you might think. For instance, you should never tip while in Japan because a tip is considered an insult there. It’s seen as pity money.)

      It was when I met someone who came from a place where servers would get paid below minimum wage because of the assumption they’d make that back via tips that I found out that 15% is the standard amount, 20% in some states where said tipping minimum wage is REALLY low. I live in a state where minimum wage is exactly that though, and people in tipping jobs must make at least that amount too, so 15% is the standard here (and it says so on restaurant bills too, with pre-calculated amounts for 15%, 18%, and 20%).

  • John L

    Well, how deplorable….

  • Medusa Jordan

    What a bellend.