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Contracting A Severe Case Of “NOPE”

, , , , , , | Working | January 27, 2025

I work for a staffing agency on a construction site. Usually, these jobs are local hires and temporary positions, so when the job is done, you have to go find another one. I work hard, and though I am not a leader of any kind, the contractor often leaves me in charge. When the project is almost over, I am approached by one of the contractor supervisors. 

Supervisor: “How would you feel about traveling with [Company]?”

Me: “You’re hiring me?”

Supervisor: “Well, no, it would be the same as now. But we like your work, and we want you to train future supervisors.”

Me: “Would I get paid time off, sick leave, or any kind of insurance benefits?”

Supervisor: “That would be up to the staffing agency, so probably not.”

Me: “Where do you want me to go?”

Supervisor: “Los Angeles.”

We are in Boston.

Me: “So, I would drive across the country? Or are you flying me?”

Supervisor: “You’d drive your car. You’d take a week off to get over there and get settled in, and then you’d report to [Other Supervisor] for your first day.”

Me: “So, you want me to take a week off work and drive across the country in my own car — and I assume on my own dime — to train other people so they can be hired by [Company]. But I’m not an employee, so I don’t get benefits or home leave or anything like that.”

Supervisor: “Well… We do like what you do. We just don’t have a position open for you.”

Me: “What about the positions for the people I would be training?”

Supervisor: “You know what? Offer’s off the table. Sorry to waste your time with an opportunity.”

He threw his hands in the air and walked away.

I finished the job, walked out on my last day, and never looked back. I hope no one ever accepts an offer like that.

Shouldn’t Have Been His Leading Choice For A Reference

, , , , , , , | Working | CREDIT: __teebee__ | April 22, 2024

A few years ago, I received a phone call from a Human Resources person from a staffing agency I almost worked for at one point. I got through the greetings and small talk and got down to business.

HR: “I have a person you know applying for a job with one of our customers.”

Me: “I’m confused; no one gave me a heads up. Who are we talking about?”

HR: “Your friend, [Person’s First Name].”

Me: “Who?”

HR: “[Person’s Full Name] — he said he worked with you at [Email Company].”

Me: “Ohhh, okay. I remember him. But I’m not sure why he’d put my name down. We didn’t work all that closely. I interacted with his team only peripherally because we had equipment in his office. I don’t really feel comfortable providing a reference.”

HR: “That’s sort of our fault; we sort of pressured him to cough up references on the fly.”

Me: “I don’t feel comfortable providing a reference.”

HR: “Come on, [My Name]. We know each other. Help me out.”

Me: “Well, not being his manager, I can’t discuss his performance.”

HR: “Okay. Can I ask you about his technical skills? Can you comment on those?”

Me: “Fine, ask away.”

HR: “How is [Person] with [Software Package]?”

Me: “Okay, I guess. Maybe 2.5 out of five.”

A five out of five is extremely rare for this software. I might be at 4.7, and I’ve used the software for over twenty years, and I’ve even flown to the vendor’s headquarters to work on technology issues and help design future versions of products with them.

HR: “Great! How is he with [Hardware Platform]?”

Me: “Well, in the time he was at [Email Company], he never touched the platform. If he gained knowledge from elsewhere, I can’t comment.”

HR: “Wait, that can’t be right. He said he led the [Hardware Platform] refresh project.”

Me: “That’s not true.”

HR: “[Email Company] is huge. Is it possible you weren’t aware of the project?”

Me: “No. I’m very aware of the project, and he wasn’t leading it.”

HR: “How can you be so sure?”

Me: “Because I led that project.”

HR: *Very uncomfortably* “Oh.”

Me: “I think it’s best for everyone that we end the call here. I think you have a phone call to make.”

HR: “Yeah, that’s probably best.”

I didn’t necessarily bash him but just set the record straight.

When Employees Have The Power, Managers Will Cower

, , , , , , , | Working | April 9, 2024

I work in a somewhat specialized role, which has led me to be in the position of working regular hours at an office, but I’m actually employed by a third-party staffing agency specializing in my role. The role I’m in is experiencing a shortage of qualified people, so it’s easier for offices to use third-party staffing agencies than to hire for themselves.

This arrangement has been largely positive. I get along with all of my “coworkers” and “managers” at the office, and I am treated like an employee when it comes to events such as staff lunches or Christmas gift exchanges. However, there are some key differences between me and the office’s regular employees, which will become apparent later in the story.

I have been working at the office for about three years when the manager who is generally considered to be my direct supervisor decides to retire. A new manager is hired, and fairly soon after, he starts implementing changes. Because I work through the staffing agency, I don’t immediately notice any of these changes, but I hear my “coworkers” complaining about them often enough to know the basics.

But one day, there’s a new bank of lockers in the break room, which is tough to ignore. Apparently, employees were assigned lockers, and they are now required to keep their phones and other personal belongings in their lockers while on the clock. I was never assigned a locker because I don’t work for the office, and even if I was given a locker, I use certain apps through the staffing agency as part of my job, so I can’t give up my phone.

About a week after the lockers are installed, the manager sees me on my phone.

Manager: “[My Name], why are you using your phone?”

Me: “I’m looking at [information for my job].”

Manager: “All personal items, including cell phones, are supposed to be in your locker.”

Me: “I don’t have a locker. As far as I understand, they were assigned based on your payroll information, and I don’t get paid by [office] because I work for [Staffing Agency].”

The manager hesitates for a bit before responding.

Manager: “Well… you should keep your phone in your car, then.”

Me: “I can’t. I need [apps] for work because that’s what [Staffing Agency] uses. Without access to those apps, I literally can’t do my job.”

Manager: “It’s not fair to the other employees who have to put their phones away if they see you on your phone all day.”

Me: “Then maybe you should rethink your plan to take their phones away?”

The manager grumbles to himself for a bit before walking away. I later hear that he went to the office’s Human Resources staff to try to complain about me, but because I don’t work for the office, HR obviously couldn’t do anything about it.

A few weeks later, there’s another incident. I’ve decided to take a short vacation and have filed it with the staffing agency accordingly. The next day, I tell the manager at the office about it so he’s aware.

Me: “Hey, [Manager], just so you’re aware, I’m going on vacation between [date #1] and [date #2]. If you need someone to cover for me, [Staffing Agency] can probably get someone reassigned from another office, but I’m not working on anything super critical, so I think you’ll be okay.”

Manager: “I don’t think we can do that. [Employee #1] and [Employee #2] both requested that week off already, so we’ll need you here.”

Me: “[Employee #1] and [Employee #2] don’t have anything to do with my job, so their being gone at the same time isn’t relevant at all.”

Manager: “I meant we’ll need you to cover for them.”

Me: “I have absolutely no training to even think about covering their positions. And besides, I don’t work for you.”

Manager: “I’m going to deny your vacation because I need you here.”

Me: “You have literally zero control over my vacation time. I don’t work for you; I work for [Staffing Agency]. They’ve already approved it, so that’s all that matters.”

Manager: “You’re not very dedicated to this job, are you? First your phone, now this… Maybe we need to reconsider your employment here.”

Me: “You know what? Maybe we should. You need me in this position a lot more than I need you. I can talk to [Staffing Agency] about getting reassigned to a different office, and that’ll solve both of our problems.”

Manager: “Hold on. We need someone working on the projects you do for us.”

Me: “Right. And if you lose me, how long do you think it will be before [Staffing Agency] can find a permanent replacement for me if I tell them that I refuse to work here because of your attempts at mistreating me?”

Manager: “…”

Me: “Do you see what I mean now? I’m willing to cooperate and keep working here, but you have to realize that you literally have no power. You can either lose me for a week when I’m on vacation — which isn’t going to hurt you that much anyway because, like I said, there’s nothing super critical right now — or you can lose me forever, and who knows how long it’ll take before you get a replacement?”

Manager: “Fine. Enjoy your vacation.”

Ever since this second incident, the manager has generally backed off some of his controlling policies — not just against me but against his actual employees, too. For example, storing phones and personal belongings in the lockers is now “optional” rather than required, and employees are allowed to keep their phones on them as long as they don’t waste time playing games or surfing social media or anything while they’re on the clock.

Apparently, enough employees were inspired by me standing up to him that they decided to threaten to quit as well, and he realized that it’s better to treat employees like humans instead of cattle.

We’re Positive You’re Not A Good Fit

, , , , , , , , , | Working | April 2, 2024

Some years ago, I was working in a minor management position in the Civil Service. I was about to go on maternity leave for six months. My assistant manager was covering part of my duties, and the company had brought in a temp to cover the rest. I was to spend a week training her before I took off.

My department had quite a relaxed atmosphere; I’m one of those bosses who are happy for people to chat and socialise a little as long as all the work is completed first. We were a small team and relatively close, and everyone went out of their way to make the temp feel welcome.

She had only been in the office for around four hours, training with me to use our computer system, when she complained that she had a headache and wanted to go out and buy some painkillers. I suggested that she take her lunch break, pick up the tablets she wanted, and get some fresh air away from the screen.

She went off… and never returned! The company contacted the temp agency later and was given the feedback that I seemed too happy and positive, and she didn’t want to work in a place like that. Personally, I wouldn’t want to work in a place that wasn’t like that…

Taxing Faxing, Malicious Compliance Edition

, , , , , , | Working | CREDIT: carl0071 | March 21, 2024

This happened about ten years ago when I was working on the railways near London.

I worked for an agency that supplied staff to the railways on a temporary basis. They were very old-fashioned, and as part of our employment contract, they stated that our hand-completed timesheets had to be faxed by 7:00 pm on Thursday for us to be paid on Friday. Timesheets that were emailed, even before 7:00 pm, would result in wages not being paid until the following Friday.

Obviously, they chose the most inconvenient way — as it was 2014 and nobody had a fax machine — so they were able to legally retain our wages in their account for an extra week.

But my printer at home had a fax machine built in that I never used.

So, after my first week, I plugged my printer into the phone line, faxed my timesheet to the agency, and waited.

The next day, I still hadn’t been paid.

I phoned them and asked why I hadn’t been paid, but the response was explained in a dull voice by somebody who had obviously repeated the same sentence so many times that it had lost all meaning to her.

Employee: “As explained in your contract, only timesheets that have been faxed to us are paid the next day. If you’ve emailed it, your wages will be paid next week.”

Me: “But I did fax it!”

She gathered her thoughts for a moment before replying.

Employee: “Oh… err, okay? Which number did you fax it to?”

I gave her the number I had faxed it to, which was correct.

Employee: “Um… okay… I’ll just place you on hold.”

She came back on the phone a couple of minutes later.

Employee: “Okay, yes, we’ve got it. Sorry, I can’t remember the last time somebody actually faxed their timesheet to us! I’ll get that paid now.”

As you can imagine, I told my colleagues the following day, and from then on, they all gave their timesheets to me to fax when I got home so they got paid on time.

I wondered if they’d drop the silly fax-versus-email rule, but it continued, so every week, I’d fax in half a dozen timesheets to them.

Related:
Taxing Faxing, Part 40
Taxing Faxing, Part 39
Taxing Faxing, Part 38
Taxing Faxing, Part 37
Taxing Faxing, Part 36